Suicide is one of the major issues that need to be talk about more openly these days. The idea of dealing with ones depression in the dark is never a solution.

Odell Beckham Jr. and Lil Wayne might not seem like they’ve got a lot in common, but the two Louisiana talents do make for a fascinating pair in their joint interview with ESPN’s Josina Anderson. With the two of them each having one of the biggest years of their respective careers so far, their chat with Anderson covers everything from how their Louisiana roots shaped them and darkest moments of their careers to Wayne’s suicide attempt and OBJ’s father.

At the 16:46 point of the interview, Tha Carter V‘s stark closing track, “Let It All Work Out,” is brought up. The song deals with Wayne’s suicide attempt, and sees him opening up about the experience. When asked about whether Anthony Bourdain and Kate Spade’s deaths had anything to do with him deciding to be forthcoming with his experience, he explained, “That song has actually been recorded for probably over four years.”

Speaking about the song, which was always intended to be part of Tha Carter V even when it was due to be released back in 2014, he added, “I felt that way when I thought the album was coming out. I was ready to come out with it then. […] The thought process doing that verse is… What made me do it was just, [I] was ready to get it off my chest.”

During the chat, Odell also spoke about his issues with the New York Giants. At the 22:00 mark, Odell is asked about his issues, answering, “A lot of it has to do with the energy that we have, that we don’t bring every single day. […] We just need to play with some heart.”

Near the end the conversation gravitates back towards Tha Carter V, with Anderson asking at the 35:30 point how Weezy dealt with the weight of the expectation for the record. “Embrace it, that’s the only way you’re supposed to deal with it,” he explained.